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So what do you think???

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YouReallyThinkSo --- 1 years ago -

I know this is going to open a whole can of worms but Im curious what you think. Obama Care passed this morning. What are your thoughts. 

sweetcheeks --- 1 years ago -

Health care should be a human right 

YouReallyThinkSo --- 1 years ago -

So you are saying you are for Obama Care? Have you read it or skimmed any part of it?
So you think everyone should be told and forced to buy Obama Care because everyone should have health care? What about the freedom to choice? 

YouReallyThinkSo --- 1 years ago -

To me its one step closer to loosing our rights as Americans. Not even going into particulars about Obama Care. The government should not have the choice to say who lives or dies, who can get what treatment and who cant. Way to much power. 

LuvMyHandsomeMan --- 1 years ago -

I don't think anyone should be forced to have healthcare. Yes it's nice to have, but not everyone can afford it, and they shouldn't get penalized for that. 

Clinical Depression --- 1 years ago -

Health care should be a human right 

Care to explain why?

Have healthcare: pay low tax.
Don't have healthcare: pay high tax.
Don't have a job: get free healthcare.

We shouldn't be forced to buy a "product" that we don't want to, and we shouldn't be forced to be taxed to those who refuse to work and government assistance is their career. If we're forced to be taxed to pay for the poor/people who make poor health choices then we should decide how people should live their lives. Obesity, smoking, and the diseases and disorders brought upon by unhealthy lifestyles are the biggest healthcare expenses in this country.

Romney 2012. 

Clinical Depression --- 1 years ago -

I think people confuse the "right to healthcare" with "the right to FREE healthcare". Free healthcare isn't free, it doesn't grow on trees. You HAVE the right to healthcare, to choose whatever healthcare you want. FREE healthcare in this country means forcefully taking from the working to give to those who don't work. There are more people in this country that don't work because they don't want to (yes, I've seen this firsthand) than there are people who can't work.

This will further solidify the ideology: don't work and you can reap the benefits of someone else's work. It lessens the motivation for people to work when they can get it all for free. 

BlueBettas --- 1 years ago -

I think having free health care for all children would be a good idea, then once they become adults they have to get it somewhere else. I know it would cost money, but it isn't fair if the kid is in a poor family that can't afford health care in the first place. They shouldn't go without just because their parents can't afford it.
On the other side of that coin, once you're an adult, you should have the right to choose whether or not you have health care, and where you get it. Some people lead healthy and safe lifestyles, and aren't needing to go to the doc on a regular basis. If they feel they don't need health insurance, fine, that's their choice.
Health insurance should be affordable enough for everyone to get it if they want it. But, again, it should be the person's choice on if they want it or not. 

Clinical Depression --- 1 years ago -

his is just my humble opinion. 

Sounded more "matter of fact" than humble.

‎"Under the law, people who do not have health insurance will have to pay 1 percent of their income to the IRS starting in 2014. (There are exceptions for some religious beliefs and financial hardship.)

"If an individual does not maintain health insurance, the only consequence is that he must make an additional payment to the IRS when he pays his taxes".

"Those subject to the individual mandate may lawfully forgo health insurance and pay higher taxes, or buy health insurance and pay lower taxes. The only thing that they may not lawfully do is not buy health insurance and not pay the resulting tax." 

BellaLaVie --- 1 years ago -

I'm curious...I'm going to school for RN. I was told a few months ago that dr's and nurses would get paid much less after this went into affect. Is this true? 

ooorah69P --- 1 years ago -

IMO...

It should be left up to individual states, not the federal govt.

The federal govt is already too big and in everyone's business, now it's just getting bigger and more bloated with Obama care. 

YouReallyThinkSo --- 1 years ago -

I was not referring to the death panels. I was referring to the fact that the government wants to hand out this insurance and if you take it the government is in charge of your healthcare. And if they feel you are old and you need certain medical care they can say no because to them you are just a drain on the system and are going to die anyways. No one should have that choice, much less the government. Healthcare should always be a personal choice, not that of the governments. Its just another right that is being taken away. Where do we draw the line? How much power should we hand over to our government? IMO they already have to much power but people are ohhh health care for everyone, sure. They arent seeing the big picture. Socialism here we come..... 

YouReallyThinkSo --- 1 years ago -

Between this and what he announced last week about illegal immigrants under 30 I cant wait for him to leave office. That was last week right? But thats just getting into a whole different argument. 

YouReallyThinkSo --- 1 years ago -

What my main point is the government should not be able to tell me I have to get health insurance. 2nd point yes the person can pay out of pocket but than what good is the insurance. No government should have that much power. If they want to offer it it should be a choice.
I don't understand the fact that people are so excepting of the government having all this power. Blows my mind. 

Clinical Depression --- 1 years ago -

free healthcare

It's NOT free. People who work are the ones paying for it by not only being taxed for income, monthly federal pay deductions, but taxed on the side.. People who sit on their government assistance as a "career choice" will not see any point to get a j-o-b because they can be job-free and get free money and now free health insurance. How is that right? I work and some fat welfare slob can stuff their face to oblivion, and I have to pay for their health problems as a result of them gorging like a slob. Then they pass those behaviors onto their children and create another "obese" generation. If we are forced to pay we should have the right to mandate them to take better care of themselves or else. 

ooorah69P --- 1 years ago -

What my main point is the government should not be able to tell me I have to get health insurance. 2nd point yes the person can pay out of pocket but than what good is the insurance. No government should have that much power. If they want to offer it it should be a choice.
I don't understand the fact that people are so excepting of the government having all this power. Blows my mind.


I completely agree. Federal govt is way too invasive as it is.

I feel it should be left up to each indivdual state to have insurance avaialbe to those who can't afford private insurance. California already has Medi-Cal, among others.

No one should be forced to have insurance if they don't want to.

This shouldn't be a federal issue, but the administration has made it one. It's another vote getting proposition like his immigration amnesty announcement last week. 

nesxoxo --- 1 years ago -

I don't understand the fact that people are so excepting of the government having all this power.

I don't think people are, but what choice do we have? We are the small guys here. Just like separation of church and state healthcare should be up there too. Healthcare should be affordable either way, and not get fined. I'm not crazy about it but I'm not crazy about Romney's ideas on women health either. It doesn't matter what side you are for politics are full of hot air. 

Clinical Depression --- 1 years ago -

the government has a whole LOT of control over your life right now

No, the government only has control over my husband's life, the Marine. Not me, the spouse. He can be forced on orders, but not someone who isn't enlisted. They can't issue orders on spouses.

The point is that the free healthcare is there for those who NEED it.

So you think that everyone who applies for government assistance NEEDS it? Military families should have no "need" for giveaways (food/clothing/diapers/etc), but they still go even if they don't need it. Just like people in the military don't need food stamps. It's like going to the Naval Hospital because you don't want to pay $5 out in town for your prescription--they can afford it they would just choose to get it free (not because we can get it "free"). 

xxxtheripperxxx --- 1 years ago -

So you think that everyone who applies for government assistance NEEDS it? Military families should have no "need" for giveaways (food/clothing/diapers/etc), but they still go even if they don't need it. Just like people in the military don't need food stamps. It's like going to the Naval Hospital because you don't want to pay $5 out in town for your prescription--they can afford it they would just choose to get it free (not because we can get it "free"). 

I completely agree with this. 

YouReallyThinkSo --- 1 years ago -

My husband being in the military and the government having control over him is different. Yes my husband is in the military, yes his boss is the President of the US. But that is a choice, and a choice we can change when his contract is up. Big difference than the government mandating something they have no right to mandate.

And for the person who said we can't do anything about it, yes we can. It's called vote. 

Clinical Depression --- 1 years ago -

Also, you are showing your ignorance by making a blanket statement about how everyone receiving welfare and unemployment benefits is a fat lazy slob simply because they are receiving these benefits.

No, [b]I didn't say everyone on welfare was a fat lazy slob, I said I don't want to pay for the "fat lazy slobs on welfare" as opposed to the skinny healthy people on welfare?[/b]

I don't know if you are aware, but the job market is awful right now.

It's only going to get worse--Obama is promising 800,000 ILLEGAL immigrants work permits, and their children work permits when they become of age.

You are in denial if you think that the government has no control over you. Your husband is a big part of your life, is he not? He is a part of your family, and if the GOVERNMENT issues him orders to Virginia or Okinawa or wherever, are you going to be stubborn as to not follow him there to show how much "in control" you are of your own life? No, you're going to follow your husband to Virginia or Okinawa. And guess who made you live there? The government. Also if the government has NO control over YOU, why do the Marines' commands find out about the wives' behavior and they get in trouble for it? I think you are not realizing that yes, the government does have control over your life to a certain extent, whether you want to realize it or not.


Moto-wife much? The government can't force or mandate that I pick up my life and move with my husband. I move, well, let's see because I love him and he's married to me. There are countless wives who don't live in the same state as their husbands--better go turn them in to the military for not following orders. Geo-bachelor much? The military DOESN'T control the spouse.


The fact of the matter is if you offer free, people are going to choose the FREE option. I'm not denying there are people who "need" it, but you never suggested that abuse would occur.

You keep calling it FREE healthcare. 

Clinical Depression --- 1 years ago -

But until then...your life is controlled by the government. That's all I'm saying.

The service member's life is. I can go wherever I want, travel to countries service members can't, I can go whenever I want, wherever I want , vote for and support any political party I want without fear of reprisal on behalf of the command...within legal reason. I can call you and idiot all day long and the Marine Corps can't touch this.

he government has every right to mandate it. The decision was made by the people who WE voted into Congress.

I only vote Republican every election. They wouldn't do this to America. 

YouReallyThinkSo --- 1 years ago -

As CD said. They don't control me.
Hopefully next election we get someone who is pro America and what's best for Americans next election. 

Clinical Depression --- 1 years ago -

I'm a moto wife because I want to be wherever my husband is? That doesn't make any sense at all.

Because you are mistaken that the military holds claim over you. He signed the contract, you didn't.

But I like how you completely ignored my example of how the wife CANNOT do whatever she wants, because her husband's command will find out and they will get in trouble.

And I said within legal reason, yes I CAN do whatever I want I can take "vacation" whenever I so please instead of asking for permission, if I'm not committing a crime there is nothing to punish. I can talk crap all over the internet about the commander in chief and my husband can't get in trouble for it. I've talked s*** to my husband's command's face and he's never been punished. There goes that theory.

Please just keep going on. I'm not going to bend to your "Marine Corps owns me" ideology, nor am I am going to change my stance per the healthcare mandate or be . I will always continue to vote Republican. 

YouReallyThinkSo --- 1 years ago -

A wife can't get in trouble from her husbands command. The husband can but not the wife. 

YouReallyThinkSo --- 1 years ago -

Actually I should change that cause there are female Marines. The spouse can't get in trouble from the Marines command. 

Clinical Depression --- 1 years ago -

No sh!t he signed the contract and I didn't. That DOESN'T mean I can mouth off to his command and say whatever. I don't believe for a second that YOU actually mouthed off to your husband's command, so no my theory doesn't go out the window. And even if you did and you didn't get in trouble, your husband sure as hell got in trouble I'm sure, and then because of that you'd be paying for it because he probably got handed multiple duties.

Ok, want a phone # to verify, but have your husband call because I don't think they'll care to talk to you, just like they don't care about you otherwise :)

If you don't want to listen to facts and logic then that's not my problem. I've very clearly pointed out where what I've said is an opinion of mine, and where there were facts. You are just arguing for the sake of arguing because you really have nothing. Go ahead and vote for Romney for all I care. You're the one who decided to pick everything I was saying apart from the beginning, so I'm just giving you a taste of your own medicine. I base what I am saying on the facts in front of me, and then I form an opinion based on those facts. I showed you my reasoning. You didn't want to hear it and I don't care, but you can't deny the facts that I presented. That's all I'm saying. For now we can just agree to disagree. 

What did you base on fact, that one Republican who was appointed to his job, whom obama didn't even want, sided with the Democrats?

Maybe you should tickle your own fancy and re-read the healthcare bill, especially Justice Robert's majority opinion to get better insight on your "facts". 

nesxoxo --- 1 years ago -

I only vote Republican every election. They wouldn't do this to America. 

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. I'm sorry. Do you not read or watch the news? Here let me provide you with some vital information: REPUBLICAN Chief Justice John Roberts provides the key 5th vote to pass healthcare reform bill 



Hahah 

Clinical Depression --- 1 years ago -

A wife can't get in trouble from her husbands command. The husband can but not the wife. 

She's saying what a spouse does "wrong" in the eyes of the military can be taken out on military member.

But at first she said the military has control over the spouse (non-service member) going off that they can mandate the spouse. No, they mandate the service member to control their spouse. Not direct control over the spouse who is not under contract. 

MrsMacho --- 1 years ago -

I'd rather go to jail than allow my government, that has been hijacked by morons and evil doers for the past 10 years, to force me to pay, not just for my own healthcare but for someone else's too. I don't believe in internal contraception, Plan B pills or abortion. To force me to help those who DO believe in that crap is UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

Oh, and just so you know, taking birth control pills is bad for the environment. Here's a little tidbit you probably didn't know: when you urinate and flush the toilet, you expell extra estrogen into the sewers, which lead to the oceans. Because so many women are taking these pills, the fish are becoming hermaphroditic and can't reproduce. You don't hear about THAT from the feminists or the enviroNazis.

I really wish the liberals would stop trying to say they speak for me just because I'm a woman. This is not a victory for women. It is a travesty for women. Read about Margaret Sanger if you don't believe me. She founded planned parenthood and coined the term "birth control." And if you're Black, you'll be really shocked. 

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