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~Removed by Mod~ Not all employers offer birthcontrol to their employee. Also, I never knew that people having sex was a companies' responsibility. 

I think that mandate is stupid. I don't see why an employer should have to have a plan that covers birth control. I can also see why someone would be against it. Catholics do not believe in contraceptives like birth control. The only thing allowed (which is a new thing) is condoms to protect against std's. So why should someone have to go against their faith to pay for someones birth control. They should have to pay the co-pay for their own birth control. 

Personally, if I owned my own business, I would WANT my female employees on birth control so they wouldn't be getting pregnant and asking for time off for appointments, bed rest, maternity leave, etc. I don't know how expensive birth control is, but the cost might even out. 

I understand it goes against his beliefs but I don't think business should mix with religion. And this Dr really has an issue with bc for women but doesn't mind making a fortune blowing up the lips of women and botoxing them out? He probably just said this for free publicity, highly doubt he's really shut down his "lucrative" business. 

If the doctor wants to take a stand than he can close his business. If his religion is against BC than its probably against gays and lesbians and not hiring them is discrimination. Its not a employers place to put his religion on his employees and saying he wont pay for BC because he feels its not right cause its against his religion is in turn pushing his religion on his employees. 

Not sure if what i just typed made sense, haha. Its early and my youngest decided he didnt need any sleep last night. 

He isn't saying they can't take birth control, he just doesn't wanna pay for it. I honestly don't see a problem with him having a problem paying for their birth control. That seems like the government is forcing him to buy something he is against. I wouldn't want to buy birth control for someone else either. I would understand a mandate that said that the employer has to provide insurance that covers birth control with a copay. 

I actually applaud him! It seems as though the rights of the religous are getting fewer and fewer. 

I actually applaud him! It seems as though the rights of the religous are getting fewer and fewer. 


...It's not like they're forced to take BC. They have the right not to take it. Nobody is shoving it down throats. I believe healthcare should cover birth control. We have an overpopulation problem as it is.

Just because it's someones faith to not use birth control doesn't mean it's their employee's. 

Just because it's someones faith to not use birth control doesn't mean it's their employee's.

The problem, as I see it, is that Obama's new mandate is requiring every single employer to provide all employees birth control for free. Not just that the insurance covers it, but that they pay the co-pay (if there is one) as well. I am not Catholic, but I can understand what an infringement upon religious freedom that might feel like if I am a Catholic employer and I am suddenly having to pay for all these contraceptive methods for others that I believe to be very wrong. No one is forcing them to take it, but they are being forced to buy it. 

Personally, if I owned my own business, I would WANT my female employees on birth control so they wouldn't be getting pregnant and asking for time off for appointments, bed rest, maternity leave, etc. I don't know how expensive birth control is, but the cost might even out.
This is workplace discrimination. A lot of employers discriminate against women whoa re expecting. It is illegal, and WRONG. It is a woman's innate right to bear children and still be able to have a job. Your argument makes me a little irritated because many employers have this mind set and I don't understand how people think this mindset is okay. 

so they wouldn't be getting pregnant and asking for time off for appointments, bed rest, maternity leave, etc.


You act like women just get pregnant for the money/ paid leave, etc. That's offensive. I am sure you didn't mean it that way, but that is how it came across.

However, I don't know how I feel about forcing employers to provide BC. I don't see why not, but I can also understand the religious point of view as well. I am not religious, so I can't speak first hand on a lot of this argument. 

Personally, if I owned my own business, I would WANT my female employees on birth control so they wouldn't be getting pregnant and asking for time off for appointments, bed rest, maternity leave, etc. I don't know how expensive birth control is, but the cost might even out.
This is workplace discrimination. A lot of employers discriminate against women whoa re expecting. It is illegal, and WRONG. It is a woman's innate right to bear children and still be able to have a job. Your argument makes me a little irritated because many employers have this mind set and I don't understand how people think this mindset is okay.


It's not wrong or illegal to not want your employees getting knocked up and taking time off. It's wrong and illegal to discriminate against them for that reason.

You act like women just get pregnant for the money/ paid leave, etc. That's offensive. I am sure you didn't mean it that way, but that is how it came across.


You're getting worked up over nothing. Really. I never said women would get pregnant just to have time off, not sure where you got that from. Nor did I say they should encourage their employees to take birth control so they wouldn't be getting pregnant and taking time off. All I said is that if I were an employer (which I am not), I wouldn't have a problem making birth control available, because it would be good for me if my female employees weren't accidentally getting pregnant, or even waiting longer to have more kids because the bc option is there for them. 

Just because it's someones faith to not use birth control doesn't mean it's their employee's.

True, BUT, they can also go get their birth control elsewhere. Thats why its called " His Business". If he wants to shut it down due to his religous beliefs, it is his right! 

He never stated that they could not use birth control, just that he would not provide it to them. 

But what if it wasn't birth control? Discrimination is illegal and can be done in many ways. What if he believed gays are wrong and refuses to higher because someone is gay? Its none of the employees business if his employee wants to take BC, its his job to cover insurance. That's like saying he isn't going to pay someone's medical cause they want a abortion and its against his religion. 

This isn't about providing medical care to someone, this is about the government saying that the EMPLOYER must pay the co-pay for all birth control instead of the employee like the employee does for everything else. Why birth control? Why not life-saving heart meds or asthma inhalers? Why not vaccinations? Why should the employer have to pay the co-pay for someone else's birth control? Not even considering the infringement upon religious beliefs here (which I admit is a bit of a grey area) I believe it is a huge over-step of the federal government to tell any employer that they now must pay their employee's co-pay on one particular type of medicine when the employer is ALREADY providing the health care. 

Yes, but this thread has nothing to do with G/L or discrimination. It deals with a dr who chose to shut down his clinic due to his religous rights being infringed upon. Discrimination would be if the dr told his employees that they could no longer work for him if they got an abortion. Hes not saying dont do it. He is just saying respect my religous beliefs and get it done elsewhere. 

You guys all make great points. Honestly I think he's bluffing just to get into the paper for free advertisement. In this economy yea lets see him close down shop ha! I guess the whole issue hangs on religion, because I was thinking health insurance covers vasectomy & tubal ligation. Health ins covers copd for people who were or are smokers. Health ins covers many hiv people who need several medications etc. I just find it odd this guy is SO against having to include b/c in health ins. 

If its the law, I may not agree with it but its the same as him having to provide health care for his employees. He wants to operate a business he needs to abide by the laws that other business have to abide by no matter his religious views. That's my point. 

One of the great things about this country (right now anyway) is that he has the choice. He can shut down his business for whatever reason he wants to use to shut it down. But, he doesn't have the option of what he wants to pay for regarding employee benefits.

If people didn't like his benefits package (some people do not offer benefits at all) they could have worked somewhere else. 

Sorry for my previous comments. My best friend is being discriminated against at her job because she is pregnant. I guess because I have that on my mind, that was how i mistook the statement. Nvmnd. 

Harlequin,
Is she documenting the discrimination at her work? That stinks, I hope it all turns ok for her. 

Yeah she has a journal and she has documented everything with hr. Thanks for your well wishes! She has a good case, and if her employer doesn't stop treating her badly then she is going to go to the equal opportunity employment office.